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Poster: hseamons Date: Mar 7, 2011 10:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

Folks, I kid you not - the Quintessential Matrix was seeded this past weekend at etree:

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=543028

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Mar 7, 2011 11:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

It is nice to see you can retain your humility after displaying such genius in adding crowd noise to an otherwise unspoiled sbd recording.I personally thought it needed a guy yelling Jerry very loudly during the quiet part of Ship of Fools and some incessant clapping to recreate that true at the show feeling.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 7, 2011 11:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

Hey, its not like he took the original SBD file and messed with the code directly (like taking a Marks-A-Lot to the Mona Lisa). He simply has taken a copy of the original SBD and a copy of an AUD (emphasis on "copy") and mixed those, with typical stellar results, imho, leaving the originals for those who prefer them. I still don't get folks who get all bent out of shape on this whole matrix thing. If you don't like them, then dont freakin' listen to them. Lighten up on Mr. Seamons. He is obviously devoting alot of time and love into producing something many of us truly enjoy.
We all share a love of this music, regardless of what source we choose. Can't we just leave it at that?

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Poster: hseamons Date: Mar 7, 2011 11:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

I don't think jerlouvis was being facetious - unless, despite my genius and relative humility, I am incredibly naive in thinking sarcastic posts are in fact genuinely positive posts. I suppose jerlouvis would be the only one to clear this matter up.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 7, 2011 11:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

You may be right and I may have spoken too quickly.

If so, I extend full apologies to j.

Now as for CH, that's another story.


;)

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Poster: hseamons Date: Mar 7, 2011 11:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

It was perhaps his notion of adding audience "noise" to an "otherwise unspoiled" SBD recording that made his post more ambiguous than we'd prefer...

In any case, jerlouvis' allusion to a guy yelling "Jerrrrrrrryyyyyyy! Jeeeeeeeeerrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!" and incessantly clapping during Ship of Fools was definitely coming from a place of sarcasm or, to be more precise, a place of active imagination, from what I have gleaned.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 7, 2011 11:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

Perhaps I need to work harder on my gleaning.

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Poster: hseamons Date: Mar 7, 2011 12:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

With regard to his point that audience members like to shout crazy things during quieter parts, however, I have found, after much matrixing, that more often than not the audience members are on very good behavior and are functioning more as performers in sync with the music itself than ungrateful and annoying assholes.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 7, 2011 12:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

Agreed. While there are AUD's that feature some unfortunate and ill-timed audience participation, I don't find these to be too common.

Anywho, since it is unlikely that the folks at Dolby will ever develop a Tool-Dampening Filter, we'll just have to live with the occastional douche. Oh, yeah, I'm still waiting on Dolby D (Donna Shriek Reducer).

A guy can dream, can't he?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 7, 2011 1:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

On a JGB I was listening to recently a guy shouts "Schenectady Optometrists!" during a contemplative moment. For posterity ...

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 7, 2011 2:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

I will say that I must give credit for originality as in your example.

Sadly though, the majority of inbred mouthbreathers' input is limited to screaming out names of what they see as lesser known songs apparently just to show the rest of the audience just how much they know, thereby establishing their overall coolnesss and street cred.

Or, perhaps, in their chemically induced "neat guy" condition, they believe that Jerry will, upon hearing the outburst, turn to the rest of the band and say "Hey, the moron in Row L, Seat 6B has made an excellent suggestion and I think we should oblige."

Example:

Location: Grateful Dead concert
Time: Midway 1st Set, Mexicali Blues has just finished and boys are noodling.
Outburst: "Cosmic Charlie!!!! Cosmic Charlie!!!! WOOOOOO-HOOOOO!!!"

This is when a Tool-Dampening Filter would be most effective.

This post was modified by SomeDarkHollow on 2011-03-07 22:24:17

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 7, 2011 2:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

During another JGB show, someone yells out "nice ass donna!" for posterity or perhaps posterior.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 7, 2011 2:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

LOL.

And it always seems to me in every era, in every configuration of Jerry-bands, someone shouts "Alligator!"

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Mar 7, 2011 11:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

If they'd gotten Alligator, they'd have moved on to "Let Phil sing!"

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Mar 7, 2011 12:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

I still don't get the strong anti-MTX bias. Now, if you where replacing the SBD's w/MTX's, then I could understand. I would already be gathering several pitchforks and torches myself. My tastes run towards the best SBD source 1 in 20 times. But, I would never want to listen (again) to the SBD of those AUD shows that make the cut, i.e. 6-24-70 or 10-12-84.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Mar 8, 2011 5:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

What I don't get is some folks continuing to re-hash this nonsense ad nauseum. Yes, some people don't dig matrices. So what? Everyone here is entitled to express their opinion.

Sorry you "don't get" that Charlie Miller doesn't dig them either. Mr. "humility" is free to toot his horn as loud as he likes. And he can stamp his feet and hold his breath too, it's not going to change that fact...

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Mar 7, 2011 1:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

So, micah, just curious, how would you feel about a well done matrix of 6/24/70 if such an event were to occur?

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Mar 7, 2011 6:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

Usually I give everything a little listen, but your question is a toughie. My head would be curious, but my heart is unwilling.
At this time. ;-)

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Mar 7, 2011 10:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

I don't know Quint, but I'm glad that his essential matrix has arrived. Looking forward to revisiting that cold night in that beautiful palace of a theater. AltheaRose and others who were lucky to be there can attest as to what an amazing - if not humbling - experience it was to see the Dead and let one's imagination run wild in such an ornate concert hall - and for multiple nights in a row! Thanks for including the historical info on the theater, I wish Jam and the restoration supporters much luck in getting those doors open again.

p.s. Hunter, I was just escaping a cold winter's day with your 8/6/82 matrix - http://www.archive.org/details/gd1982-08-06.mtx.seamons.101618.sbeok.flac16 - thanks for that.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Mar 7, 2011 2:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

I just find it a bit egotistical to refer to something you do as quintessential,especially if it is making a matrix.I mean are there really people out there judging the balance of sbd/aud ratio to have a quintessential version.I never see Charlie Miller post that he just uploaded the quintessential sbd.I really did not not need anyone to explain to me how a matrix is made,nor did I get bent out of shape that they are made or that people enjoy listening in that format.

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Poster: hseamons Date: Mar 7, 2011 2:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

jerlouvis, forgive me for not taking your sarcasm in your previous post seriously. I thought you were being tongue-in-cheek, but I guess not. In any case, I am absolutely baffled by your inability to recognize a Quintessential Matrix when it has been posted.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Mar 7, 2011 2:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

definitions:

1. the essence of a thing in its purest and most concentrated form:

2. representing the perfect example of a class or quality

Argument could be made either way. If you go by #1, no matrix can be of the "quintessence." But certainly, you could have made the perfect example of a matrix, ie., definition 2.

Not a fan of most matrixes myself, but I'll check it out, and thanks for loving the music like we all do.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Mar 7, 2011 11:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

But how can it be Quintessential without a Quinn? (Yuk yuk. I see your bad pun and raise it. Or lower it, rather.)

I will say that to me, the Uptown was always the Quintessential Indoor Dead Show Place. My first six shows were all there. They used to play so many gorgeous and small (or small-ish) places; getting a good view or being close to the stage wasn't even unusual, at least in my neck of the Midwest woods.

Another gorgeous one was the Stanley Theater in Pittsburgh:

http://pittsburghstanleytheater.com/

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Mar 7, 2011 2:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

Yow! Hold on there, jerlouvis. If you look at the date and time stamps to the far right of each post, you will notice that my reply post was to Hunter's initial post - before there were any other comments, including yours.

Though, I had hoped my slightly smart-assed comment would be seen as the tongue-in-cheek bad pun it was intended to be. I, for one, do not have any desire to take sides on this 'Matrix Matter'. Though, I often prefer SBDs, like many folks here I can enjoy a good audience tape as well. And every once in a while a great matrix like 7/17/76 comes along and gives me many joyful listens. To each his own, I say. Enjoyment of music is such a subjective phenomenon anyway.

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Poster: hseamons Date: Mar 7, 2011 3:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

Good call on the 7/17/76 show and matrix. The Comes a Time is one of my favorite versions. It has a very beautiful extended jam.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Mar 7, 2011 4:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

Duckpond,I was in no way responding to anything stated in your posts.I find your posts intelligent,interesting and enjoy your presence here.Sorry if there was some misunderstanding.

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Mar 7, 2011 4:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

Jerlouvis, thanks for the clarification . . . and the kind words.

The main reason I continue to stay in touch with this forum, is the level of passion and knowledge folks here have for this music . . . so many different people affected in so many similar - and different - ways. I have had my opinions swayed more than a few times, and for that I am grateful.

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Poster: fourempties Date: Mar 7, 2011 6:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

I am increasingly baffled by the snobbery on this forum. Whether it is the era snobs or a guy who really really really hates the HS matrixes, it is amazing how "un-cool" the vibe on this site is, considering the subject matter. We are all willingly spending our time here out of reverence for the music and the memories provided by the GD for almost 30 years. I mean right?

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Poster: Jobygoob Date: Mar 8, 2011 8:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

RIGHT...some days it's harder than others to separate the wheat from the chaff.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 8, 2011 8:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

nothing worse than the irritation of chaffing when wearing short shorts on a hot humid day

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 8, 2011 9:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

"reverence for the music"?

It's a bunch of tunes, some great, some so so, some total stinkers, played by a bunch of guys who sometimes did it amazingly well, sometimes indifferently, sometimes appallingly badly.

Reverence is about the last thing I feel for it. and I suspect it's probably the last thing any band member would want you to feel either.

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Poster: Jobygoob Date: Mar 8, 2011 10:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

Yeah the mistake he made was assuming that everyone on the Grateful Dead forum at the archive is here because they love the Grateful Dead's music. People are here for all kinds of reasons, and to even attempt to glean the motivations of some of the bizarre individuals lurking about would be an exercise in futility. I agree with his sentiment, it's been repeated over and over again by wide eyed innocent folks over the years though many are too stubborn or self righteous see it. Or ultimately they just don't give a shit what others think.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 8, 2011 10:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

Oh I do like the music. Some of it anyway. Some of the time. I just don't share the pseudo-religious fervour that some bring to the table, either for the whole concept of the Grateful Dead or for some fraction of it (Jerry, Phil, Brent, 60s, 70s, 80s, etc. etc.) As you say, we're all here for different, in some cases unfathomable, reasons. Although it might have been the music that brought most of us here it's not necessarily the music that makes us all stay. Speaking for myself, part of the reason I drop by is that I enjoy exchanges like this.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 8, 2011 11:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hijack for wordsmith

Last day to stream for free from NPR here in the states. Their best since, and in some ways a bookend to, New Adventures in Hi-Fi. Having Patti Smith always helps (and Mr Eddie Vedder is buried in there as well)
http://www.npr.org/2011/03/01/133998085/first-listen-r-e-m-collapse-into-now

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 8, 2011 11:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hijack for wordsmith

Thanks, b. Appreciate that very much.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Mar 8, 2011 6:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

Of course youre right! We should all be supremely reverent to the music of the Grateful Dead. After all, they never played a bad note or had an off performance in thirty years!

Please forgive us for not subscribing to your ideology.

Terribly sorry for expressing an opinion here that is different from yours!

Youre an idiot...

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Poster: fourempties Date: Mar 8, 2011 7:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

I would have been so much more impressed if you didn't take the bait.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Mar 7, 2011 8:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

there are assholes everywhere. plus, the mask of a handle on a forum online makes it easier to be an asshole with less consequence.

be the change you want to see. don't feed the haters.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 7, 2011 11:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Quintessential Matrix has arrived!

now how can I pass this up?? i cant

thanks :)